Guys, after going through a lot of analysis, it seems that Asporca and Nilufer, were not that strong as the drama shows them, as in their lineage.... It really looks like their origins have greatly fantasized in Ottoman books... Like they seem too off for some reason...
One of my real life friends is obsessed with Fatvius and keeps sending me reels of them lol... I don't know why but honestly I am so glad to have found some people in my school who know KO and KOr because mostly don't... + she loves Orhan and Flavius's bromance lmaoo, she says we are like them lmao... And, another of my real life friend is currently obsessed with this Turkish series called Arafta, so I recommended her few of my editor friend's channels who have edited on this series.. guys, I don't know I tried to watch Arafta but I couldn't go past half an hour so I dropped it, but I have seen many people like it so it must be a good series, but anywayss...
Bozdaq has literally just turned Asporca from Orhan's new bride, to a full-term villainess, I mean Bozdaq will show in last episodes of season 1 that Asporca changes herself in two episodes like a miracle and then quickly marry her off to Orhan lmao... Like why does Bozdaq do this, first you show great villains/Byzantine/powerful women, then after marriage you make them so dependent. I hope this is not what happens to Asporca plzzz, lord I love her. Anyways, I love Nilufer in this trailer, gurllll is carrying the show against Asporca and her solidersss >>>
Part # 2: Fatma Hatun, daughter of Orhan Gazi, or not?
Source: visitbursa.org/mekanlar/emir-sultan-kulliyesi-615 Emirsultan Mosque
This mosque was built in the early 15th century by Hundi Fatma Sultan, the daughter of Yıldırım Bayezid, and the wife of Emir Sultan, on behalf of the latter.
There is an octagonal ablution fountain in the centre of the courtyard built with a rectangular plan. This courtyard is surrounded by a riwaq, borne by sixteen marble pedestals, being interconnected by wooden ovigal arches. Furthermore, there is a mosque situated at the courtyard’s south, and there are the mausoleum of “Emir Sultan” and timber-built rooms at its north. It is built with a square plan with a single dome, which sits on an octagonal tambour.
While the initial structure was a multi-domed mosque, it went rack and ruin in 1795. Between 1804 and 1805, during the reign of Sultan Selim III, it was built with the today’s state, in Rococo and Empire style. This structure sustained damage in the 1855 earthquake, and was renovated between 1861 and 1876 during the reign of Sultan Abdulaziz.
Mausoleum of Emir Buhari (Emir Sultan)
As his Majesty Emir Sultan (1368-1429), who was granted the Sufism rank of a “veli”, was a descendant from the Prophet’s blood-line, he was granted the title of an “emir”, or “ameer”, and as he conquered the hearts, he was granted the title of a “sultan”, or “Sultan”. Emir Sultan, born in Bukhara, is known as Es-Seyyid Shemsuddin Mehmed bin Aliyyul Buhari. His mausoleum is situated within the kulliye complex built in the 15th century by Hundi Hatun, his wife, and daughter of Yıldırım Bayezid. This mausoleum is built on the northern wall of the courtyard of “Emirsultan” mosque. In 1804, when Sultan Selim III re-built both mosque and mausoleum, the latter took its current state. Under the influence of the occidental architectural movement frequently seen during the 19th century, it was renovated in 1845 by Sultan Abdulmecid, in a style we can call “Turkish Baroque”. An epitaph board documenting this repair work is placed at the mosque’s south-eastern corner, on the surrounding wall. After an earthquake about ten years after this repair, this structure was renovated anew in 1868, by Sultan Abdulaziz. An epitaph board relating to this repair work, however, is placed over the mausoleum’s prayer window.
The sarcophagi of his Majesty Emir Sultan, of his wife, Hundi Hatun, of their son, Emir Ali, and of their two daughters are situated inside this mausoleum.
It is clearly mentioned that this woman Fatma Hundi Sultan Hatun, is buried, in the Emir Sultan Mosque/Complex, so why is it that inscriptions like those on the / near the Orhan Gazi's tomb, mention her being buried in the Orhan Gazi's Complex, and why do they never mention both Orhan Gazi's Fatma Hatun and Beyazit's Fatma Hatun are buried in the same tomb, whenever they mention Orhan Gazi's daughter Fatma Hatun, they don't mention Sultan Beyazit's daughter Fatma, and vice versa...
I have tried several times to search for Fatma Hatun ( Orhan Gazi's supposed daughter ) grave, like as you know, if a grave is known, so they add the name of the person and their death date / their relation to Orhan Gazi. But, I was unable to find, so its probable, they are assuming that one of the graves there belongs to Orhan Gazi's daughter Fatma Hatun. Because, it is understood, that several graves have been destroyed, removed, reconstructed, or moved to somewhere else or are just honorary graves to honor the souls of those associated with the Ottomans.
Now let's look at the contemporary sources that have traditionally mentioned Fatma Hatun, as daughter of Orhan Gazi,
Osmanlı Tarihi (Ottoman History)
Author: İsmail Hakkı Uzunçarşılı (One of the most prominent modern Turkish historians, citing primary Ottoman records)
Book Name: Osmanlı Tarihi, I. Cilt (Volume 1).
Exact Extract: > "Gazi Orhan Bey'in, Asporça Hatun'dan İbrahim Bey ile Fatma Hatun isminde iki evlâdı olduğu ve her ikisinin de babalarının türbesinde gömülü bulundukları bilinmektedir."
English Translation: "It is known that Gazi Orhan Bey had two children named İbrahim Bey and Fatma Hatun from Asporça Hatun, and both are buried in their father's tomb.
Aşıkpaşazade Tarihi (History of the House of Osman)
Author: Aşıkpaşazade (A primary 15th-century chronicler).
Book Name: Tevârîh-i Âl-i Osmân (Chronicles of the House of Osman).
Exact Extract:
"Orhan Gazi'nin... kızı Fatma Hatun'dur. Bursa'da babası yanında medfundur."
English Translation: "Orhan Gazi's... daughter is Fatma Hatun. She is buried next to her father in Bursa."
Kitâb-ı Cihan-nümâ (History of the World)
Author: Mehmed Neşri (A major 15th-16th century Ottoman historian).
Book Name: Kitâb-ı Cihan-nümâ (often referred to as Neşri Tarihi).
Exact Extract:
"Orhan Gazi'nin hatunlarından Asporça Hatun'dan İbrahim ve Fatma Hatun doğmuştu. Bunların vakıfları ve evladları dahi Bursa'da malumdur."
English Translation: "From Orhan Gazi's wives, Asporça Hatun gave birth to İbrahim and Fatma Hatun. Their foundations and descendants are well known in Bursa."
Note: This Post Will be Divided Into Two Sections, First one discusses the controversy over the grave of Fatma hatun. The Next Post ( Part 2 ) will discuss the controversy addressing the mention of Fatma Hatun in the Asporca hatun endowment. This Post is only for informative purposes and may be slightly edited in case of any error.
Did Orhan Gazi Even Have A Daughter Named Fatma Hatun? Let's Talk About Fatma Hatun, Was She Orhan Gazi's And Asporca Hatun's Daughter, or Perhaps Asporca Hatun's Granddaughter, and thus Ibrahim Bey's daughter. Who is the Fatma Hatun buried next to Orhan Gazi in Orhan Gazi's Tomb then, let's discuss this.
Source: www.evliyalar.net/orhan-gazi/ Orhan Gazi Tomb is located right next to Osman Gazi's Tomb. It has four corners and is sandy on four marble columns, and on the floor of the mausoleum there are mosaic fragments, which are the remains of the Byzantine Monastery.
It is known that Orhan Gazi Tomb was actually side by side with Osman Gazi Tomb, and that it was divided into two during the time of Sultan AbduLaziz and took its current form. Orhan Gazi's magnificent wooden tomb, located in the middle of the tomb, has a green cover and brass fingers. Tomb; Cem Sultan's son Abdullah (1481), on the door side II. Bayezid's son Korkut (1513), accompanied by his wife Nilüter Hatun and his son Kasım Çelebi. Being Yıldırım Sultan's son Musa Çelebi and his daughter Fatma
there are a total of 21 graves on it.
( Here it mentions that Yildirim ( Bayezid )'s Sultan Fatma Hatun is buried in the Orhan Gazi's tomb )
He was born in Söğüt in 1281. After his father Osman Gazi's illness, he took over the administration and Bursa
he led the siege. Although the place of death was Bursa, the date of death is not certain. While Aşıkpaşazade stated that he did not live long after the accidental death of his eldest son Süleyman Pasha in 1358 and died a few months later, there are also historians who determine his death date as 1361, 1362 and even 1366. When he died, according to his will, St. He was buried in another building of Elias Monastery, very close to his father. Orhan Gazi's grave was completely destroyed in the 1855 earthquake. The current building is the building that was rebuilt in 1863, during the reign of Sultan Abdülaziz, on its old foundations, adhering to its old plan. Remains of mosaics left over from the first structure can be seen in places at the base of the place, where there are 19 more sarcophagi in addition to Orhan Gazi's sarcophagus.
The mausoleum has a square plan. Wall thickness is 1.30 m. The tomb, which is entered through the entrance on the south façade, is covered with a dome carried by arches connected by four thick columns. The inside is perfectly illuminated with eleven windows. In the middle of the tomb is Orhan Gazi's (1281-1363) ark surrounded by ostentatious cast brass bars.
Also here are Cem Sultan's son Abdullah, Prince Korkut, Orhan Gazi's son Kasım Çelebi, his wife Nilüfer Hatun and her daughter Fatma, Yıldırım Beyazıt's son Musa Çelebi (1388-1413) Emir Süleyman (1379-1410), Sultan 2. Beyazıt's son Korkut (1467-1512) has sarcophagi
( Here it states that Orhan Gazi's daughter Fatma Hatun is buried here which is contradicting the previously given statement, however what is ironic, is when I scrolled through this website, in the given images, of the inscription, of Orhan Gazi's tomb, it clearly mentions Fatma Sultan, daughter of Yildirim Bayezid )
Sometimes different websites states Fatma Hatun "her daughter" and sometimes "his daughter", which causes confusion, since Fatma Hatun is written next to Nilufer Hatun, it creates the confusion or illusion, that they are trying to convey that Fatma Hatun is Nilufer Hatun's daughter.
The mausoleum of Orhan Gazi being built on its old location has a square plan. The dome inside this mausoleum, the pendentives, and the window pediments are decorated with hand-drawn, Turkish Baroque ornaments according to the 19th century’s decorative style. The capitals, too, reflect the art style of this period. The curtains made of Hereke fabric give its interior the air of a palace.
There are 20 sarcophagi inside this mausoleum. The sarcophagus of Orhan Gazi is situated in the centre of the mausoleum, on a marble base, and surrounded by a lattice made of cast brass. Inside this mausoleum, there furthermore are the sarcophagi of Nilufer Hatun, the wife of Orhan Gazi, of Shehzade Kasım, the son of Orhan Gazi, of Fatma Sultan, the daughter of Yıldırım Bayezid, of Abdullah, the son of Cem Sultan, as well as of Shehzade Korkut, the son of Bayezid II. The names of those persons buried in the other sarcophagi are unknown.
However, if we were to search for, Yildirim Sultan Bayezid's daughter, so his most notorious daughter carrying the name Fatma Hatun, also known as, Fatma Hundi Sultan Hatun, or Hundi Hatun, is buried
Our Morrocan Queen, she is so beautiful, but some haters, literally told me she looks bad, and she has big teeth, and make racist comments on her, I literally hate 'em like just look at her once, she is a foreign woman like our real Nilufer was, but she still presents her character so nicelyyyy
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Guys, after going through a lot of analysis, it seems that Asporca and Nilufer, were not that strong as the drama shows them, as in their lineage.... It really looks like their origins have greatly fantasized in Ottoman books... Like they seem too off for some reason...
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One of my real life friends is obsessed with Fatvius and keeps sending me reels of them lol... I don't know why but honestly I am so glad to have found some people in my school who know KO and KOr because mostly don't... + she loves Orhan and Flavius's bromance lmaoo, she says we are like them lmao... And, another of my real life friend is currently obsessed with this Turkish series called Arafta, so I recommended her few of my editor friend's channels who have edited on this series.. guys, I don't know I tried to watch Arafta but I couldn't go past half an hour so I dropped it, but I have seen many people like it so it must be a good series, but anywayss...
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Bozdaq has literally just turned Asporca from Orhan's new bride, to a full-term villainess, I mean Bozdaq will show in last episodes of season 1 that Asporca changes herself in two episodes like a miracle and then quickly marry her off to Orhan lmao... Like why does Bozdaq do this, first you show great villains/Byzantine/powerful women, then after marriage you make them so dependent. I hope this is not what happens to Asporca plzzz, lord I love her.
Anyways, I love Nilufer in this trailer, gurllll is carrying the show against Asporca and her solidersss >>>
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Part # 2: Fatma Hatun, daughter of Orhan Gazi, or not?
Source: visitbursa.org/mekanlar/emir-sultan-kulliyesi-615
Emirsultan Mosque
This mosque was built in the early 15th century by Hundi Fatma Sultan, the daughter of Yıldırım Bayezid, and the wife of Emir Sultan, on behalf of the latter.
There is an octagonal ablution fountain in the centre of the courtyard built with a rectangular plan. This courtyard is surrounded by a riwaq, borne by sixteen marble pedestals, being interconnected by wooden ovigal arches. Furthermore, there is a mosque situated at the courtyard’s south, and there are the mausoleum of “Emir Sultan” and timber-built rooms at its north. It is built with a square plan with a single dome, which sits on an octagonal tambour.
While the initial structure was a multi-domed mosque, it went rack and ruin in 1795. Between 1804 and 1805, during the reign of Sultan Selim III, it was built with the today’s state, in Rococo and Empire style. This structure sustained damage in the 1855 earthquake, and was renovated between 1861 and 1876 during the reign of Sultan Abdulaziz.
Mausoleum of Emir Buhari (Emir Sultan)
As his Majesty Emir Sultan (1368-1429), who was granted the Sufism rank of a “veli”, was a descendant from the Prophet’s blood-line, he was granted the title of an “emir”, or “ameer”, and as he conquered the hearts, he was granted the title of a “sultan”, or “Sultan”. Emir Sultan, born in Bukhara, is known as Es-Seyyid Shemsuddin Mehmed bin Aliyyul Buhari. His mausoleum is situated within the kulliye complex built in the 15th century by Hundi Hatun, his wife, and daughter of Yıldırım Bayezid. This mausoleum is built on the northern wall of the courtyard of “Emirsultan” mosque. In 1804, when Sultan Selim III re-built both mosque and mausoleum, the latter took its current state. Under the influence of the occidental architectural movement frequently seen during the 19th century, it was renovated in 1845 by Sultan Abdulmecid, in a style we can call “Turkish Baroque”. An epitaph board documenting this repair work is placed at the mosque’s south-eastern corner, on the surrounding wall. After an earthquake about ten years after this repair, this structure was renovated anew in 1868, by Sultan Abdulaziz. An epitaph board relating to this repair work, however, is placed over the mausoleum’s prayer window.
The sarcophagi of his Majesty Emir Sultan, of his wife, Hundi Hatun, of their son, Emir Ali, and of their two daughters are situated inside this mausoleum.
It is clearly mentioned that this woman Fatma Hundi Sultan Hatun, is buried, in the Emir Sultan Mosque/Complex, so why is it that inscriptions like those on the / near the Orhan Gazi's tomb, mention her being buried in the Orhan Gazi's Complex, and why do they never mention both Orhan Gazi's Fatma Hatun and Beyazit's Fatma Hatun are buried in the same tomb, whenever they mention Orhan Gazi's daughter Fatma Hatun, they don't mention Sultan Beyazit's daughter Fatma, and vice versa...
I have tried several times to search for Fatma Hatun ( Orhan Gazi's supposed daughter ) grave, like as you know, if a grave is known, so they add the name of the person and their death date / their relation to Orhan Gazi. But, I was unable to find, so its probable, they are assuming that one of the graves there belongs to Orhan Gazi's daughter Fatma Hatun. Because, it is understood, that several graves have been destroyed, removed, reconstructed, or moved to somewhere else or are just honorary graves to honor the souls of those associated with the Ottomans.
Now let's look at the contemporary sources that have traditionally mentioned Fatma Hatun, as daughter of Orhan Gazi,
Osmanlı Tarihi (Ottoman History)
Author: İsmail Hakkı Uzunçarşılı (One of the most prominent modern Turkish historians, citing primary Ottoman records)
Book Name: Osmanlı Tarihi, I. Cilt (Volume 1).
Exact Extract: > "Gazi Orhan Bey'in, Asporça Hatun'dan İbrahim Bey ile Fatma Hatun isminde iki evlâdı olduğu ve her ikisinin de babalarının türbesinde gömülü bulundukları bilinmektedir."
English Translation: "It is known that Gazi Orhan Bey had two children named İbrahim Bey and Fatma Hatun from Asporça Hatun, and both are buried in their father's tomb.
Aşıkpaşazade Tarihi (History of the House of Osman)
Author: Aşıkpaşazade (A primary 15th-century chronicler).
Book Name: Tevârîh-i Âl-i Osmân (Chronicles of the House of Osman).
Exact Extract:
"Orhan Gazi'nin... kızı Fatma Hatun'dur. Bursa'da babası yanında medfundur."
English Translation: "Orhan Gazi's... daughter is Fatma Hatun. She is buried next to her father in Bursa."
Kitâb-ı Cihan-nümâ (History of the World)
Author: Mehmed Neşri (A major 15th-16th century Ottoman historian).
Book Name: Kitâb-ı Cihan-nümâ (often referred to as Neşri Tarihi).
Exact Extract:
"Orhan Gazi'nin hatunlarından Asporça Hatun'dan İbrahim ve Fatma Hatun doğmuştu. Bunların vakıfları ve evladları dahi Bursa'da malumdur."
English Translation: "From Orhan Gazi's wives, Asporça Hatun gave birth to İbrahim and Fatma Hatun. Their foundations and descendants are well known in Bursa."
Note: This Post Will be Divided Into Two Sections, First one discusses the controversy over the grave of Fatma hatun. The Next Post ( Part 2 ) will discuss the controversy addressing the mention of Fatma Hatun in the Asporca hatun endowment. This Post is only for informative purposes and may be slightly edited in case of any error.
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Did Orhan Gazi Even Have A Daughter Named Fatma Hatun? Let's Talk About Fatma Hatun, Was She Orhan Gazi's And Asporca Hatun's Daughter, or Perhaps Asporca Hatun's Granddaughter, and thus Ibrahim Bey's daughter. Who is the Fatma Hatun buried next to Orhan Gazi in Orhan Gazi's Tomb then, let's discuss this.
Source: www.evliyalar.net/orhan-gazi/
Orhan Gazi Tomb is located right next to Osman Gazi's Tomb. It has four corners and is sandy on four marble columns, and on the floor of the mausoleum there are mosaic fragments, which are the remains of the Byzantine Monastery.
It is known that Orhan Gazi Tomb was actually side by side with Osman Gazi Tomb, and that it was divided into two during the time of Sultan AbduLaziz and took its current form. Orhan Gazi's magnificent wooden tomb, located in the middle of the tomb, has a green cover and brass fingers. Tomb; Cem Sultan's son Abdullah (1481), on the door side II. Bayezid's son Korkut (1513), accompanied by his wife Nilüter Hatun and his son Kasım Çelebi. Being Yıldırım Sultan's son Musa Çelebi and his daughter Fatma there are a total of 21 graves on it.
( Here it mentions that Yildirim ( Bayezid )'s Sultan Fatma Hatun is buried in the Orhan Gazi's tomb )
Source: www.turkiyenintarihieserleri.com/?oku=3450
He was born in Söğüt in 1281. After his father Osman Gazi's illness, he took over the administration and Bursa he led the siege. Although the place of death was Bursa, the date of death is not certain. While Aşıkpaşazade stated that he did not live long after the accidental death of his eldest son Süleyman Pasha in 1358 and died a few months later, there are also historians who determine his death date as 1361, 1362 and even 1366. When he died, according to his will, St. He was buried in another building of Elias Monastery, very close to his father. Orhan Gazi's grave was completely destroyed in the 1855 earthquake. The current building is the building that was rebuilt in 1863, during the reign of Sultan Abdülaziz, on its old foundations, adhering to its old plan. Remains of mosaics left over from the first structure can be seen in places at the base of the place, where there are 19 more sarcophagi in addition to Orhan Gazi's sarcophagus.
The mausoleum has a square plan. Wall thickness is 1.30 m. The tomb, which is entered through the entrance on the south façade, is covered with a dome carried by arches connected by four thick columns. The inside is perfectly illuminated with eleven windows. In the middle of the tomb is Orhan Gazi's (1281-1363) ark surrounded by ostentatious cast brass bars.
Also here are Cem Sultan's son Abdullah, Prince Korkut, Orhan Gazi's son Kasım Çelebi, his wife Nilüfer Hatun and her daughter Fatma, Yıldırım Beyazıt's son Musa Çelebi (1388-1413) Emir Süleyman (1379-1410), Sultan 2. Beyazıt's son Korkut (1467-1512) has sarcophagi
( Here it states that Orhan Gazi's daughter Fatma Hatun is buried here which is contradicting the previously given statement, however what is ironic, is when I scrolled through this website, in the given images, of the inscription, of Orhan Gazi's tomb, it clearly mentions Fatma Sultan, daughter of Yildirim Bayezid )
Sometimes different websites states Fatma Hatun "her daughter" and sometimes "his daughter", which causes confusion, since Fatma Hatun is written next to Nilufer Hatun, it creates the confusion or illusion, that they are trying to convey that Fatma Hatun is Nilufer Hatun's daughter.
Source: visitbursa.org/mekanlar/orhan-gazi-turbesi-55
The mausoleum of Orhan Gazi being built on its old location has a square plan. The dome inside this mausoleum, the pendentives, and the window pediments are decorated with hand-drawn, Turkish Baroque ornaments according to the 19th century’s decorative style. The capitals, too, reflect the art style of this period. The curtains made of Hereke fabric give its interior the air of a palace.
There are 20 sarcophagi inside this mausoleum. The sarcophagus of Orhan Gazi is situated in the centre of the mausoleum, on a marble base, and surrounded by a lattice made of cast brass. Inside this mausoleum, there furthermore are the sarcophagi of Nilufer Hatun, the wife of Orhan Gazi, of Shehzade Kasım, the son of Orhan Gazi, of Fatma Sultan, the daughter of Yıldırım Bayezid, of Abdullah, the son of Cem Sultan, as well as of Shehzade Korkut, the son of Bayezid II. The names of those persons buried in the other sarcophagi are unknown.
However, if we were to search for, Yildirim Sultan Bayezid's daughter, so his most notorious daughter carrying the name Fatma Hatun, also known as, Fatma Hundi Sultan Hatun, or Hundi Hatun, is buried
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Our Morrocan Queen, she is so beautiful, but some haters, literally told me she looks bad, and she has big teeth, and make racist comments on her, I literally hate 'em like just look at her once, she is a foreign woman like our real Nilufer was, but she still presents her character so nicelyyyy
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